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That's why I use 朝鮮, not Korea, so what's the nation before 朝鮮王朝 ( 조선 왕조 ) ?

before Joseon it was Goryo. go wikipedia it

Because there are too many nations once living on the Korean Peninsula, Han, Manchu, Mongolian, Khitan... I'm not even sure who is your ancestors... Or may be just mixed up...

Of course, there are nations before 朝鮮王朝 ( 조선 왕조 ) , but how do you know that they are your ancestors... Maybe it's just a dead nation like Khitan , or 扶余 , or Goguryeo...

I didn't know that? Even though Goryo is your nation, it's just 1000 years history...

First, it's 倭 not 矮 which recorded in Chinese history records more than 2000 years ago... It means Japan had been existed for long before then! And had never been occupied by other nations except for US... What about Korean, when were you first recorded? 600 years ago? 朝鮮王朝 ?

Korea was occupied twice by Mogol, and Japan. And Japan was occupied by U.S. That's what you tried to say?


When was Korea first recorded? That was your question?
You wanna say Japan hs longer history than Korea huh? Well, I feel that I was wasting of my time...... Now, I understand why other member stop answering your question. [:'(]
Ask any Chinese member on this forum about it.


Btw, Yes you are right, Japan was called 倭.

I guess this link will help you understand...

ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%AD%E5%9B%BD

are japanese and korean related? yes

japanese migrated from korea. that is why their languages share the same unique grammatical structure. and their cultures mirror each other in many ways.

Interesting ,

These linked two article show the Chinese language spoken by a Han Chinese merchant who came from Liaoyang during Koryo dynasty (assumed 11-12 C but this text cannot show exact sounds , Its not very sure when this book exactly written -but its one of the learning books for Koreans to learn Chinese that spoken by Han Chinese around Beijing during the beginning part of Chosun dynasty)

The original text was written in traditional Chinese characters.
How do you find difference from these Chinese quotes compared to Modern Mandarin?



www.guoxue.com/gxzi/lqd_!.htm

www.guoxue.com/gxzi/lqd_2.htm

I think that Japanese and Korean both are very beautiful. I like korean because it reminds me a bit of Japanese in a way.

With that, this thread has come full circle.

A big portion of today's Japanese culture is from ancient Korean culture (particularly before the Chosun Dynasty) as far as I know.

Japan is forever related to Korea and vice versa.

This is like Dravidian culture is forever related to Northern Indian culture.

Modern Japanese are people who migrated from southern Korea in Yayoi period (BC400 to AD300). People cultivating rice in southern Korea migrated to Japan. Mahan and Byeonhan people with rice cultivation moved to Japan during Yayoi period. Modern Japanese are direct descendents of Yayoi people. They mixed and pushed native people (Jomon, Ainus) away. Genetic analysis on ancient skulls found in Mahan area showed that they were closest to modern Japanese. Buyeo cavalry moved to Japan from Baekje and opened Azuka (late Yamato) period transferring Buddhism and Kaji. Genetic analysis of Japanese showed that Korean gene remained as majority. The current theory of language explains that current Japanese language was originated from Ancient Korean language.

http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Korea ... o+Japanese

From a total outsider being Canadian, I helped a Korean family move to Canada. Through the husband I noted, he sold apples to China right up to the last year before moving to Canada, so he learn Chinese language, but not Japanese. I learned that most Korean people have a three piece name very similiar to so many of us Canadains.

Possibly because of WWII to wars well before that. Seems Korea had some battles with China, to battles with some war lords in Japan even earlier in world's time. WE must tack on the Korean War for his land was under control of the North Koreans which was also Chinese.

Obviously he had no problem in learning to carry on business with people from China. Now his English in writing was quite good, but one with us it was our dialict to slang words that sort of confused him which was mainly learned at church. Mind you he arrived a bit before Xmas & while at a United Church he was simply loved by local people as his singing was good, for those words were not a struggle for him, though it was to his wife, & we are looking at ex-German, English, Italian, Portugese, some Danish to some Japanese.

I learned a lot from him to also teaching him how to drive a Jeep to my parents VW car. To so much more.

Obviously one of the reasons I tend to come on this board for people are interesting.

Though I have to watch what I say to some of the culture which is a bit touchy---mind you I am still learning.

Oh yes said chap & family are in Greater Vancouver & both are RETIRED. While their four or five children did extremely well in Universities to also earn top rate jobs.

Korean people sound, to Japanese people, like they are always angry when they speak Korean language.

Chinese people sound, to Japanese people, like they are speaking really fast when they speak Chinese language.

What makes you think that emigration to isolated islands was more active than to a peninsula attached to the Eurasia continent? Anyway your guess seems off.

"Blood reveals the migration of people" (Donga ilbo, Jan 03, 2001): "At the Pacific Bone Marrow Transplant Seminar which was held in November last year in Bangkok, Thailand, Professor Kim Dong-Wook of Catholic University Medical School and Professor Okamoto Sinachiro of Japan's Gaio University presented, 'The analysis of 170,000 bone marrow donor from the two countries has shown that different groups of people with divergent HLA have passed through China to finally settle separately in Korea and Japan.' Which nation's people are truly homogenous? Medically, among the Koreans, the Taiwanese and the Japanese, the most homogenous were the Japanese. Koreans who so proudly consider themselves homogenous were found to be behind the Japanese in terms of being "pure-blooded," followed by the Taiwanese. Professor Kim stated, 'Analysis of whether a recipient for haematogenetic transfusion could find even a single match among the registered donor can yield how close to completely homogenous they are.'"

<japanese migrated from korea. that is why their languages share the same unique grammatical structure. and their cultures mirror each other in many ways.>

That is a possibility, but there remains no evidence to support that idea. It is believed that agriculture, rice cropping, came to Japan from somewhere (several thousand years ago), and Korea could be a corridor for such cultural transmission. It could be several thousand years ago if Korean and Japanese languages were closer.

The first "Japanese" book (poetry book) appeared in 7th century. Chinese letters were used only as phonetic symbols, and the writing and pronunciation were clearly "Japanese," which we can understand (although not easily). This suggests that Korean and Japanese were linguistically different at least in 7th century.

Japan has older documents; two famous history books were written in 4th century, but unfortunately, they were written by Chinese classics, not by Japanese.

It is known that many Koreans came to Japan in those days, but there remains no (evidential) documents written in "Korean." Koreans did not have their own writing system in those days. (The Korean language was invented in 15th century. So, it is a possibility that Korea had no their own "history" before 15th century.)

<it is a possibility that Korea had no their own "history" before 15th century.>

It is learned that the first Korean book (history book) was written in 13th century. (written in Chinese classics.)

Korea was about 900 years behind Japan in writing books (both in Chinese classics and in their own language).